Birthers Are Back …
this was first posted on 8/2013
a debate from 5/2011, that is still relevant
With all the commotion about birthers, birthrights, citizenship and or any of the combinations out there, the past birther comments from trump and maybe his family made me wonder not only about their beliefs but what their supporter followers believe and if they even know how narrow minded this man might be. The idea that people actually are able to run for political office without being vetted sufficiently enough is heartbreaking and offensive. We cannot be so lax and not use all the tools needed to pull out important information like; will you represent ALL the people in your State or just a select few and please make a list that all Americans can look at. Naturally this issue struck me as concerning and a real problem as it affects all our families past, present and future. I guess birthrights was something he contemplated for awhile and considering what is currently in our News any and all speeches and or comments about birtherism should be posted and made available for anyone wondering how he feels about birthright citizenship. Therefore, I did a few weeks ago and this week I received a couple of comments via email so i posted and responded to both, which are below
ME: The reason i posted comments from Trough on my blog is because we all need to see and read what people say about birth rights and why – make sure our children of the future do not grow up to talk like or promote and learn it from people like Trough –
ME: Your comments about what Ron Paul wrote are your opinions, which if you live here in America are a right not a privilege and should not be taken for granted. What i did not like or agree and are in fact lies like your statements about President Obama. I saw your pix and you look like one of my sisters so to hear a person of colour write such things seemed odd and offensive. I know it makes no difference to you but both my parents are mixed and while there is def a long history of why i come from such a multi ethnic&; cultured family, we were brought up to accept rejoice and realize that America is a country made up of immigrants. We would not be such a rich and diverse country had the attitude you and Ron Paul have. In fact, with that kind of attitude, our families would not be in America let alone take part in that quest to make our lives and or our children’s lives better if Ron and Rand Paul had their way. I take issue with people who do not accept the 14th Amendment or who use race to bash and promote hate fear without evidence that anyone is bad simply because they might be undocumented. I don’t know about you but anyone that says no one in their family history was an immigrant is lying and if they made it to America then you should praise and thank them. I know that a complicit relationship was made a long time ago by big business who figured out how to cheat while paying little or nothing to people (immigrants) who had and still have no rights to fight back. We are a nation with- the rule of law and the undocumented need to be dealt with because no one has done so correctly – President Obama did not start this, however he did bring immigration out of the shadows. I don’t know why anyone would punish a child born in America of an undocumented mother because the quest for a better life for her child was the most important thing unless of course her intent was to wreak havoc or was a terrorist but i wager that the truth leans more toward looking for a better life. I think the Dream Act would help take care of all those children who for the most part are great students some have become great teachers and or innovators that should have an opportunity to do good things for America. We should hold companies accountable. The undocumented, if upstanding given an opportunity and a path toward citizenship-Ron Paul says anchor babies are wrong and if i read your comment about birthright citizenship and how it relates to anchor babies correctly you seem to insist that President Obama is something other than an American and that is a lie – I really think you need to do some of your own research. Btw, not all Muslims, Blacks, Hispanics or Whites are bad but you do know America has white terrorists who are bad-
Final comments left …
Actually, I went to your site and read your comments or what you call critiques. I said we live in America and thank goodness, freedom of speech is just one great reason to live here. However, I read your comments in a much diff way and will stand firm. I think it’s fun and amusing that anyone would give themselves props for anything the mainstream media says because in my opinion it’s lame offensive and full of lies. If that is what you want, props for them and so be it, but most people are not happy with the right of center biased comments from “the media.” My President , President Barack H. Obama is not only underestimated people boost his polls because they are actually comparing and contrasting his comments against what the Republican Tea Party and the folks who control cable news as well as mainstream media thank you very much. I know a lot of folks would love to take the victory lap but he is his own force moving toward that change 53% of Americans voted for – I give any and or all props to this President -full credit for all that he does. – Well, welcome to America and thank you for responding to the rethinking birthrights citizenship essay that Ron Paul wrote though if I read your blog correctly you support his point of view, which was why I responded originally. I still am offended by his views in that essay as well as anything else he says when he is on the airwaves about Race, birthright including the 14thAmendment.
just another continued rant on citizenship … from 2013
I thought Republicans had finally grown up and swept the birther issue under a rug somewhere safe. That seems to have lasted for only about two Romney flip-flops. It is apparent that Tony Perkins, president of the Family Res Council, Republican members of Congress and Governors continue to tell Americans that birtherism, the War on Women and their Rights to… (You fill it in), are without a doubt much more important than their constituents. I would be happy to see Republicans in Congress, actually do the people’s business, as the current group works for 190days or less and has passed bills that hurt ALL Americans. Yet, despite everything the Republicans have done, our economy is on the mend. Thanks to President Obama Our slow economic recovery is happening without austerity measures though all the filibustering Mitch McConnell and his comrades continue to engage in against progress; austerity was and still is the word and mission of the new Republican nationalists. While some Americans, seemingly had the wool pulled over their eyes continually. The ugly truth began to leak out at town hall meetings and finally a smidge of buyer’s remorse set in as actual plans received a 2nd look and was rejected, but now with the 115th congress this path to economic prosperity still deserves a whole lot of scrutiny from ALL voters because once implemented it looks like only the 1-3% will be happy.
In between all the confusing economy noise, the Republican Party continues to reach new lows in desperate behavior. While birtherism on its face is funny at times because who really takes this stuff serious …right. Nevertheless, the topic, subject … stupid things conjured up through ideology continues to be added to the conservative conversation and list of ‘Religious Conscience’ though some call it religious instinct. With severe conservatives, we all should wonder if religion, consciousness, or instinct should be allowed in the same sentence let alone our own – conscious thought, considering what Policies the current group of white nationalists will be throwing at Americans prepare repair get your marching shoes. The War on women, immigration, workers, minorities, students, voter rights and religious freedom are Republican issues. The slap of reality, or the rude awakening is … with so many states trying or passing strict negative conservative legislation against the middle and lower class cloaked in big bright new ideas on that path to prosperity that representatives and speaker Paul Ryan is still pushing has now become a trifecta reality that they intend to use or as some feel an abuse and misuse of power.
The political Party of NO, the Republican Party of the 21st Century is no longer our parent’s conservative party.
We all have to know; that the path conservatives want us all on could destroy our democracy.
I will admit, I usually consider any conservative pledge laughable -until that ” Purity Pledge” from a group named N.O.M. popped up. Common sense if any available, tells you that a pledge to hurt others or exclude them is beyond offensive right, yet, it got signed by all the socially conservative candidates for President. It says to, among other things commit to practicing exclusion and lest we pay attention to their choice of words “purity.” This thing, written long before trump took office, is not only archaic but this extremely conservative organization wants, “Signers to pledge: never to engage in pre-marital sex or extramarital affairs, end all viewing of pornography and gambling, never to marry a person of the same gender, and never to “favor any government action that would allow for civil unions of people of the same sex”. I don’t know if all Republicans agree with this purity pledge, we all know that a whole lot have been reported charged or resigned from congress… are failing the Norquist pledge. And that “family values platform” which also covers birther issues no less, suffice it to say that conservatives behaving badly and that cliché, “do as I say not as I do; comes to mind as most if all are not that pure, if you get my drift. If you believe in social conservatism you will be voting against your own best interest in any election and likely controlled by extreme right policies and that is sad.
The commonality between birthers, birthrights citizenship certainly has to be economy, and austerity or the lack of it or any of the combinations out there …believe this … the latest comments coming from social conservatives are code for and against “the other”. It should make us all stop and reassess not only the beliefs of these conservatives voted into positions of power and Public Service but we must all challenge them, their oath, and the public servants they profess to be. We all know this group has managed to get away with attacking women, gays, the undocumented and minorities with legislation that will has disenfranchised them in some way. We must remember the past like when voters crossed into Blunt territory – pun intended and luckily, blunt was put out. I wonder if anyone else wonders or imagines how often these fools must meet plan and cover each other on the local state and federal level. Republicans used to decry they want smaller Government yet their current legislation policies include controlling half the population while enjoying enormous tax breaks… again, remember the house of bush and what happened when he gave friends tax breaks? It bares reminding that anything done to one part of our system effects another…our system is interlocked thus anything done adversely affecting our economy’s has a great chance of forcing us into austerity
In the fight for election 2016, it was not clear to all what trump stood for, but as the weeks and months passed it was obvious that you only needed to wait until 3am …because it could change. I’m what a call a progressive dem, I have a different understanding a potus that give regular nasty speech with trump, smacking his lips, slurring his words and spewing a whole lot of inaccurate statements to his audience about Real Americans and has done much nothing but flip flop toward the 1% since Jan.20. I don’t know if Trump will do two terms but given all his babbling …his comments on Race, Gender, the poor or low income and Immigrants should not be ignored or forgotten at the Voting Booth
The sole mission of this Republican Party of No – is to turn back the clock …It is beyond offensive and will affect all our families past present and future
just another rant …
Civil Rights is the only vehicle that allowed folks in “protected classes” to have and or at least experience some of the same rights as speaker paul ryan,steve king and roy moore does,yet the struggle for equal rights, the constant fight for them to increase into 21st Century living continues
I don’t know about you but I used to think of the Declaration of Independence as our social contract … right. As devised or “theory” by John Locke and Thomas Hobbes
* The Social Contract Theory is used to support many crucial ideas dealing with rights throughout the Declaration of Independence. … Devised by John Locke and Thomas Hobbes, this theory is based on the “Social Contract” which states that man lives in the State of Nature. Locke identified the basis of a legitimate government. According to Locke, a ruler gains authority through the consent of the governed. The duty of that government is to protect the natural rights of the people, which Locke believed to include life, liberty, and property.
Though if you listen to Republicans, it seems they missed that class, ignored it or prefer the archaic ideology beliefs of that time. I admit i believe in at least some of the John Locke and Thomas Hobbes Theory and understand if others do not. The idea that we even have to debate how some have had to struggle, fight and or die for the right to (be) is beyond me. I can only speculate, but; it could only be considered an inaccurate interpretation of American values lest we talk about Natural and or V Individual rights and after hearing more and more folks in Congress flaunt their #whitenationalism some #whitesupremacist ways, maybe in this era of trump we needed a big slap of reality of what our Nation should expect if Republicans were are are to govern the Free World in the long term, though frightening. The current president and his administration lest we talk about his followers, who may not be rich but seem to believe a World that is not so free unless you are part of that 1%, maybe feel that the 1% with their trickle down economy works. The air is full of alternative facts and hurdles if you look “other” or fall under what is called “protected class.” Is it possible that Rep. Paul Ryan or at least some in Congress could very well believe in the hypocrisy that is our Declaration of Independence written by a group of men who were definitely involved in the slave trade? Yes, there are constant references to “natural rights” The fact is, the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness Republican Rep.Paul Ryan was speaking of did not apply to Blacks obviously most being slaves held against their will at a time when these folks considered themselves the only real Americans worthy. Originally under the Constitution, only white male citizens over the age of 21 were eligible to vote. We must all remind Republicans like Paul Ryan that it was the action taken by our government that finally allowed some slaves a peak at the rights they were enjoying naturally are only given by government to slaves NOT by “God and Nature,” as Rep. Paul Ryan unfortunately proclaims.
” Natural and individual rights “we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” –declaration of independence, 1776.
Oh, don’t get it twisted; the Declaration of Independence is a great document, written in defense of grievances against kings and kingdoms which led to the inclusion of some provisions in the Constitution and Bill of Rights due to complaints. I also know that at least some of the John Locke &Thomas Hobbes theories were on Thomas Jefferson’s mind while writing his draft.
Contrary to what Republicans like Rep.Paul Ryan stated, the list below is just a few of our rights that could have only been experienced by our nation’s citizens because the government was forced to debate vote then Amendments were created granted … and updated
() Women’s right to vote (granted by 19th Amendment)
() Right to vote for all citizens, regardless of race, color, or previous condition of servitude (15th Amendment)
() 4th Amendment: Citizens cannot be forced to subject themselves to seizure and search without a search warrant and probable cause.
() Right to bear arms (granted by 2nd Amendment)
() the 13th amendment abolished slavery in the United States and provides that “Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or …Passed by Congress on January 31, 1865, and ratified on December 6, 1865,
() 6th Amendment: Guarantees fair and speedy jury trial and the rights to know the accusation, the accuser, and to find counsel and witnesses.
() The Fourteenth Amendment addresses many aspects of citizenship and the rights of citizens. The most commonly used — and frequently litigated — phrase in the amendment is “equal protection of the laws“, which figures prominently in a wide variety of landmark cases, including Brown v. Board of Education (racial discrimination), Roe v. Wade (reproductive rights), Bush v. Gore (election recounts), Reed v. Reed (gender discrimination), and University of California v. Bakke (racial quotas in education). See more…
Paul Ryan: ‘Our Rights Come From Nature And God, Not From Government’ http://www.mediaite.com/tv/paul-ryan-our-rights-come-from-nature-and-god-not-from-government/ via @mediaite 8/11/2012
What say you? Do people who hold office in congress deserve a pass or should they all be held accountable … just like the rest of us
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
another day another shooting!!!
we need folks to push for Gun Reform
As more Americans watch, wait and wonder when Congress will take a stand on gun control, more say there is absolutely no reason a civilian should own or have access to an assault weapon. The fact is assault weapons; the standard infantry combat choice for most modern armies has no place in a civil society. Police already have trouble protecting and serving our communities against illegal (hand) guns, legislation that broadly regulates the firearms industry (ammunition) and firearms owners let alone automatic weapons solely made and meant to kill people quickly.
We have also been asking for some time now, at what point will our (rational, sane & educated) members of Congress, the firearm industry(ammunition) and gun owners stand up speak up or out over the current stalemate to move gun laws into the 21st Century. The NRA has clung on to power by holding an archaic law over the heads of Americans, as well as being a thorn in all our sides, spending millions lobbying for gun rights while controlling votes in Congress.
Is it possible that this amendment is in dire need of a revaluation for the lives of our citizens in this 21st Century with all the new guns& weapons now available.
In 1994, Congress added a background check system to strengthen our existing laws to keep guns out of the hands of felons, drug abusers, and the mentally ill.
In 2004, Congress let the assault weapons ban expire. It is time to recognize and change the flaws in the background check system that have been exposed again and again over the years, in the massacres at Columbine, Virginia Tech, Arizona, Michigan, Washington state ,Colorado, Indiana, Portland, China, Chicago, Newtown CT,DC ,LAX airport, families all over this country, Young Black Males and some White males
If not now when, is a good question.